[whispersystems] Developers

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Some months ago I found out about whispersystems. However, the development on both the android and ios side is pretty dead on github (the only active development I see is for the desktop). So I was wondering, how can the project keep growing if there aren't people working on it? Has it been donated to the open source community? If so, who is in charge of committing to master? I have been thinking about contributing myself, but some of the pull requests have been lying around for ages... has the project been abandoned? Are there any people in this mailing list who are interested in investing a considerable part of their time into this project in order to bring it back to life? Maybe we can gather a group of developers to work on this.
Thank you.





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[David Niehues]

Hi,

the development is still quite active. Have a look at the repositories here:

https://github.com/WhisperSystems

In the Desktop and in the Android repository are both changes, not older
than 10 hours. For ios,
there are changes that are two days old.

Concerning the old PR's, yes there are many of them. That is due to the
work load
of the core developers. Many people are frustrated, because of that and
the in-transparency
in the development. There was also a discussion on that on the mailing
list some days ago.

But apart from that, the development is quite active.

Kind regards,

David


Am 23.01.2016 um 09:36 schrieb 2s9h76+2nozwcww16mzk15pas (via

Post by "2s9h76+2nozwcww16mzk15pas" (via whispersystems Mailing List)
Some months ago I found out about whispersystems. However, the development on both the android and ios side is pretty dead on github (the only active development I see is for the desktop). So I was wondering, how can the project keep growing if there aren't people working on it? Has it been donated to the open source community? If so, who is in charge of committing to master? I have been thinking about contributing myself, but some of the pull requests have been lying around for ages... has the project been abandoned? Are there any people in this mailing list who are interested in investing a considerable part of their time into this project in order to bring it back to life? Maybe we can gather a group of developers to work on this.
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[L e]

To be fair, the active development displayed on github ("10 hours ago") refers to the PRs that have been opened by community members, and not activities by the main developers. For example, on Android, the last developer to have worked was moxie changing 4 lines of code 7 days ago. Before that, the last commit was 19 days ago -- and it was just small changes like pulling the translations. The last actual activity goes back to December 24th (that's a month ago). On iOS, the last commit was on Jan 3 and before that there was a commit on December 26. So yes, the development is undeniably slow. (this is not meant as an attack, just a clarification, I know the developers have other stuff to do)

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:10:31 +0100
Subject: Re: [whispersystems] Developers
Hi,
https://github.com/WhisperSystems
In the Desktop and in the Android repository are both changes, not older
than 10 hours. For ios,
there are changes that are two days old.
Concerning the old PR's, yes there are many of them. That is due to the
work load
of the core developers. Many people are frustrated, because of that and
the in-transparency
in the development. There was also a discussion on that on the mailing
list some days ago.
But apart from that, the development is quite active.
Kind regards,
David
Am 23.01.2016 um 09:36 schrieb 2s9h76+2nozwcww16mzk15pas (via

Post by "2s9h76+2nozwcww16mzk15pas" (via whispersystems Mailing List)
Some months ago I found out about whispersystems. However, the development on both the android and ios side is pretty dead on github (the only active development I see is for the desktop). So I was wondering, how can the project keep growing if there aren't people working on it? Has it been donated to the open source community? If so, who is in charge of committing to master? I have been thinking about contributing myself, but some of the pull requests have been lying around for ages... has the project been abandoned? Are there any people in this mailing list who are interested in investing a considerable part of their time into this project in order to bring it back to life? Maybe we can gather a group of developers to work on this.
Thank you.
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[Scott Robinson]

Look at the branches. i.e., moxie, like everyone else, works in branches
and then opens a PR.

Post by L e
To be fair, the active development displayed on github ("10 hours
ago") refers to the PRs that have been opened by community members,
and not activities by the main developers. For example, on Android,
the last developer to have worked was moxie changing 4 lines of code 7
days ago. Before that, the last commit was 19 days ago -- and it was
just small changes like pulling the translations. The last actual
activity goes back to December 24th (that's a month ago). On iOS, the
last commit was on Jan 3 and before that there was a commit on
December 26. So yes, the development is undeniably slow. (this is not
meant as an attack, just a clarification, I know the developers have
other stuff to do)

Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:10:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [whispersystems]
Developers
Hi,
the development is still quite active. Have a look at the
https://github.com/WhisperSystems
In the Desktop and in the Android repository are both changes,
not older than 10 hours. For ios, there are changes that are two
days old.
Concerning the old PR's, yes there are many of them. That is due to
the work load of the core developers. Many people are frustrated,
because of that and the in-transparency in the development. There
was also a discussion on that on the mailing list some days ago.
But apart from that, the development is quite active.
Kind regards,
David
Am 23.01.2016 um 09:36 schrieb 2s9h76+2nozwcww16mzk15pas (via

Post by "2s9h76+2nozwcww16mzk15pas" (via whispersystems Mailing List)
Some months ago I found out about whispersystems. However, the
development on both the android and ios side is pretty dead on
github (the only active development I see is for the desktop). So
I was wondering, how can the project keep growing if there aren't
people working on it? Has it been donated to the open source
community? If so, who is in charge of committing to master? I have
been thinking about contributing myself, but some of the pull
requests have been lying around for ages... has the project been
abandoned? Are there any people in this mailing list who are
interested in investing a considerable part of their time into
this project in order to bring it back to life? Maybe we can
gather a group of developers to work on this. Thank you.
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[L e]

Seriously? That's exactly what I'm saying :/ branch 3.9.0 was updated a month ago.

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To: ***@lists.riseup.net
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 19:21:31 +0800
Subject: Re: [whispersystems] Developers






Look at the branches. i.e., moxie, like everyone else, works in branches and then opens a PR.


On Sat, Jan 23, 2016, at 18:50, L e wrote:

To be fair, the active development displayed on github ("10 hours ago") refers to the PRs that have been opened by community members, and not activities by the main developers. For example, on Android, the last developer to have worked was moxie changing 4 lines of code 7 days ago. Before that, the last commit was 19 days ago -- and it was just small changes like pulling the translations. The last actual activity goes back to December 24th (that's a month ago). On iOS, the last commit was on Jan 3 and before that there was a commit on December 26. So yes, the development is undeniably slow. (this is not meant as an attack, just a clarification, I know the developers have other stuff to do)

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:10:31 +0100
Subject: Re: [whispersystems] Developers
Hi,
https://github.com/WhisperSystems
In the Desktop and in the Android repository are both changes, not older
than 10 hours. For ios,
there are changes that are two days old.
Concerning the old PR's, yes there are many of them. That is due to the
work load
of the core developers. Many people are frustrated, because of that and
the in-transparency
in the development. There was also a discussion on that on the mailing
list some days ago.
But apart from that, the development is quite active.
Kind regards,
David
Am 23.01.2016 um 09:36 schrieb 2s9h76+2nozwcww16mzk15pas (via

Post by "2s9h76+2nozwcww16mzk15pas" (via whispersystems Mailing List)
Some months ago I found out about whispersystems. However, the development on both the android and ios side is pretty dead on github (the only active development I see is for the desktop). So I was wondering, how can the project keep growing if there aren't people working on it? Has it been donated to the open source community? If so, who is in charge of committing to master? I have been thinking about contributing myself, but some of the pull requests have been lying around for ages... has the project been abandoned? Are there any people in this mailing list who are interested in investing a considerable part of their time into this project in order to bring it back to life? Maybe we can gather a group of developers to work on this.
Thank you.
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[#359]

looking at the Signal updates and new features, there were NEVER so much
developement on Signal as in the last 6 months.


- jure

Post by L e
Seriously? That's exactly what I'm saying :/ branch 3.9.0 was updated a month ago.
Sat, 23 Jan 2016 19:21:31 +0800 Subject: Re: [whispersystems]
Developers
Look at the branches. i.e., moxie, like everyone else, works in
branches and then opens a PR.

Post by L e
To be fair, the active development displayed on github ("10 hours
ago") refers to the PRs that have been opened by community members,
and not activities by the main developers. For example, on Android,
the last developer to have worked was moxie changing 4 lines of code
7 days ago. Before that, the last commit was 19 days ago -- and it
was just small changes like pulling the translations. The last actual
activity goes back to December 24th (that's a month ago). On iOS, the
last commit was on Jan 3 and before that there was a commit on
December 26. So yes, the development is undeniably slow. (this is not
meant as an attack, just a clarification, I know the developers have
other stuff to do)

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:10:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [whispersystems]
Developers
Hi,
the development is still quite active. Have a look at the
https://github.com/WhisperSystems
In the Desktop and in the Android repository are both changes,
not older than 10 hours. For ios, there are changes that are two
days old.
Concerning the old PR's, yes there are many of them. That is due to
the work load of the core developers. Many people are frustrated,
because of that and the in-transparency in the development. There
was also a discussion on that on the mailing list some days ago.
But apart from that, the development is quite active.
Kind regards,
David
Am 23.01.2016 um 09:36 schrieb 2s9h76+2nozwcww16mzk15pas (via

Post by "2s9h76+2nozwcww16mzk15pas" (via whispersystems Mailing List)
Some months ago I found out about whispersystems. However, the
development on both the android and ios side is pretty dead on
github (the only active development I see is for the desktop). So
I was wondering, how can the project keep growing if there aren't
people working on it? Has it been donated to the open source
community? If so, who is in charge of committing to master? I
have been thinking about contributing myself, but some of the
pull requests have been lying around for ages... has the project
been abandoned? Are there any people in this mailing list who are
interested in investing a considerable part of their time into
this project in order to bring it back to life? Maybe we can
gather a group of developers to work on this. Thank you.
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[Per Guth]

Post by L e
Seriously? That's exactly what I'm saying :/ branch 3.9.0 was updated a month ago.

https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/commits/master

Just look.

Viele Gruesse,
Per

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[...]:
ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard
ZUCK: just ask
ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns
FRIEND: what!? how’d you manage that one?
ZUCK: people just submitted it
ZUCK: i don’t know why
ZUCK: they “trust me”
ZUCK: dumb fucks

- http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/09/20/the-face-of-facebook

[L e]

Per Guth, please read all the emails before replying. Let me quote myself
"For example, on Android, the last developer to have worked was moxie changing 4 lines of code 7 days ago. Before that, the last commit was 19 days ago -- and it was just small changes like pulling the translations. The last actual activity goes back to December 24th (that's a month ago)"

Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 00:19:06 +0100
From: ***@perguth.de
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CC: ***@quadhome.com; ***@lists.riseup.net
Subject: RE: [whispersystems] Developers



On Sa, Jan 23, 2016 at 12:34 , L e <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

Seriously? That's exactly what I'm saying :/ branch 3.9.0 was updated a month ago.

https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/commits/master
Just look.

Viele Gruesse,
Per

***

In another exchange leaked [...], Zuckerberg explained to a friend that his control of Facebook gave him access to any information he wanted [...]:
ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard
ZUCK: just ask
ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns
FRIEND: what!? how’d you manage that one?
ZUCK: people just submitted it
ZUCK: i don’t know why
ZUCK: they “trust me”
ZUCK: dumb fucks

- http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/09/20/the-face-of-facebook

[Per Guth]

Ah, I see. I tripped over the combination of

Post by L e
The last actual activity goes back to December 24th (that's a month
ago)
the development on both the android and ios side is pretty dead on
github

https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/commit/759f9d80169bf8d6de7d973366e4bbc5cc890900

That's from 20 days ago. I was just not used to reading "pretty dead"
when it comes to ~20 days stalls.

Looking at the overall activity on Signal-Android, the last month does
not seem so unusual:
https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/graphs/contributors?from=2015-11-25&to=2016-01-16&type=c

Viele Gruesse,
Per

***

In another exchange leaked [...], Zuckerberg explained to a friend that
his control of Facebook gave him access to any information he wanted
[...]:
ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard
ZUCK: just ask
ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns
FRIEND: what!? how’d you manage that one?
ZUCK: people just submitted it
ZUCK: i don’t know why
ZUCK: they “trust me”
ZUCK: dumb fucks

- http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/09/20/the-face-of-facebook

Post by L e
Per Guth, please read all the emails before replying. Let me quote myself
"For example, on Android, the last developer to have worked was moxie
changing 4 lines of code 7 days ago. Before that, the last commit was
19 days ago -- and it was just small changes like pulling the
translations. The last actual activity goes back to December 24th
(that's a month ago)"
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 00:19:06 +0100
Subject: RE: [whispersystems] Developers

Post by L e
Seriously? That's exactly what I'm saying :/ branch 3.9.0 was
updated a month ago.

https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/commits/master
Just look.
Viele Gruesse,
Per
***
In another exchange leaked [...], Zuckerberg explained to a friend
that his control of Facebook gave him access to any information he
ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard
ZUCK: just ask
ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns
FRIEND: what!? how’d you manage that one?
ZUCK: people just submitted it
ZUCK: i don’t know why
ZUCK: they “trust me”
ZUCK: dumb fucks
- http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/09/20/the-face-of-facebook

[Slava Ukraini]

So how we (independent developers) can foster
pull requests to be accepted (or arguably rejected)
into master?

It is makes no sense to do some commits and then be frustrated that nobody cares...

[Natanji]

Arguably, that happens in thousands of FOSS projects. You can't do FOSS without being very patient sometimes. Accepting PRs for security critical software should be done with care, and I'm sure the devs are doing their best.

Am 25.01.2016 11:15 schrieb Slava Ukraini <***@outlook.com>:

So how we (independent developers) can foster
pull requests to be accepted (or arguably rejected)
into master?

It is makes no sense to do some commits and then be frustrated that nobody cares...

[Sam Lanning]

Hi Slava,

The best approach is to start off small. Find some open issues on the
project you are interested in that are yet to be addressed, and try
and make the diff as small as possible. Ultimately it is unlikely that
your first few Pull Requests will get merged in without any
modifications, and quite possible that they won't get merged in at
all. Most of the top contributors to the project had a number of pull
requests rejected before their code started getting accepted. It's a
matter of finding your feet when you start out.

Regarding lack of response by the main OWS team, they are short
staffed at the moment, in particular they have no full time iOS
developer, and they're currently working very hard to find someone to
replace Frederic (which understandably takes time away from
development).

Patience is a virtue, if you have submitted a PR and it is still open,
then it is still being considered, and is only a matter of time before
people respond to it.

Cheers,
Sam.

Post by Natanji
Arguably, that happens in thousands of FOSS projects. You can't do FOSS
without being very patient sometimes. Accepting PRs for security critical
software should be done with care, and I'm sure the devs are doing their
best.
So how we (independent developers) can foster
pull requests to be accepted (or arguably rejected)
into master?
It is makes no sense to do some commits and then be frustrated that nobody cares...